kids who want to work for npr or pbs have to have enough money so that they do not have to go to work in the summer. i used to hold an elevator -- i used to work at an elevator factory. i would tell my professors that is what i did over the summer, and there would be a horrible chortle. i once worked in the copper wire factory. i need money to pay for school. now with the internship thing, it is remarkable. i wanted to say that the intern's i have been working with, they are really concerned about things like student debt. one of them said they call it financial aid, but it is a 7% non-negotiable loan. they do not have that gap year anymore. a lot of them are borrowed to the hilt. did they come out and they cannot play around. they cannot make a movie. they cannot go to europe. they cannot have fun for a year before they enter the workplace or even experiment with what they want to do. >> we're going to have some station identification, particularly for our listeners on sirius xm radio. this program can be seen of theide on the station's government network, voice of america. and on 30